Will Kiln supports Ledger bip32-ed25519 addreses in new updates? Thanks!

  • New GUI monitoring and baking app looks clever and simple!
    – user1822
    Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 12:18

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Great question - it will! We hope to include this in our next release.

Tezos has adopted this new derivation scheme because it improves security. Backstory: because this update involves BIP32 (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal 32), it is important to contrast how addresses are used in Bitcoin and Tezos:

  • Bitcoin: Users have a root address, from which you can derive a unique address from for each transaction so no two people are sending BTC to you using the same destination address. These are sometime called throwaway receipt addresses.
  • Tezos: Users typically use the same exact address for all operations. Sometimes its the root address, most often it is the /0h/0h derivation path. These is the same as any of the uniquely derived BTC addresses you would use, it just uses Tezos’ path instead of Bitcoin’s.

The changes to this derivation scheme are more important in the context of Bitcoin users than they are Tezos. The issue lies the math that BIP32 uses. It assumes that all points on a signing (elliptic) curve are valid, when really only half are valid ECDSA keys. These invalid keys depend on parts of your root key and typically only found using a derivation path with very large numbers or really deep derivations - for example: /7293843h/9372365h instead of /0h/0h. That’s also why this issue wasn’t caught until the derivation scheme was already in use.

If you attempt to use addresses on the invalid part of the curve and an attacker determines which of those addresses do not work, they could use this information to determine your private key. Note that this attack vector requires that you have shared many derived addresses from your root key, which is what makes this attack less likely on Tezos than on Bitcoin.

  • Hi Mike! For the sake of the opportunity could you please edit your answer and offer more details about bip32-ed25519 ? thanks
    – Ezy
    Commented Sep 22, 2019 at 0:56
  • @Ezy Sure, I've included some more background on the change Commented Oct 13, 2019 at 21:00

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